Twenty-Five: There Is Still This 二十五、犹有这个
Teacher Qi Zhijun | 2018-06-23 | Download | AI assisted translation
| 〖公案原文〗 |
[Original Text of the Koan] |
| 翠岩真点胸，尝骂舜老夫说无事禅。【老人眉批：一报还一报！】 |
Cuiyan Kezhen once scolded Old Man Shun for preaching a Chan of nothing to do. [The Elder’s marginal note: What goes around comes around!] |
| 石霜永和尚令人传语真云：“舜在洞山悟古镜因缘如此，岂是说无事禅？尔骂他，自失却一只眼。”【老人眉批：慎莫作骂会！】 |
Chan Master Shishuang Fayong had someone convey this message to Zhen: “When Shun awakened at Dongshan through the circumstance of the ancient mirror, how could he have been preaching a Chan of nothing to do? By scolding him, you have lost one of your own eyes.” [The Elder’s marginal note: Take care not to understand this as actual scolding!] |
| 舜闻之，作颂云：“云居不会禅，洗脚上床眠。冬瓜直儱侗，瓠子曲弯弯。” |
When Shun heard this, he composed a verse: “Yunju does not understand Chan: he washes his feet, gets into bed, and sleeps. The winter melon is straight and clumsy; the bottle gourd is curved and bent.” |
| 永和尚亦作颂曰：“石霜不会禅，洗脚上床眠。枕子扑落地，打破常住砖。”【老人眉批：犹有这个在！】 |
Chan Master Yong also composed a verse: “Shishuang does not understand Chan: he washes his feet, gets into bed, and sleeps. The pillow falls to the ground and breaks a brick of the monastery.” [The Elder’s marginal note: This is still here!] |
| 舜一日上堂云：“黄昏后，脱袜打睡。晨朝起来，旋打行缠。夜来风吹篱倒，普请奴子劈篾缚起。”下座。【老人眉批：可怜生！】 |
One day, Shun ascended the hall and said: “After dusk, take off your socks and go to sleep. At dawn, rise and wrap your leg bindings. Last night the wind blew down the fence; summon all the attendants to split bamboo strips and tie it back up.” Then he descended from the seat. [The Elder’s marginal note: How pitiful!] |
| 〖锯解秤砣〗 |
[Sawing Apart a Scale Weight] |
| 临济义玄禅师，以其凌厉的禅风，树起临济宗的光辉旗帜，传承不绝，度人无数。从上法脉的传承谱系是：六祖惠能大鉴→南岳怀让→马祖道一→百丈怀海→黄檗希运→临济义玄。临济宗传到石霜楚圆禅师，向下开出黄龙、杨歧两支。石霜禅师座下人才济济，除了黄龙慧南、杨歧方会之外，翠岩可真禅师就是其中出类拔萃的一个。 |
With his forceful Chan style, Chan Master Linji Yixuan raised the radiant banner of the Linji school. Its transmission has continued without interruption, liberating countless people. The lineage of Dharma transmission from above is: Sixth Patriarch Huineng the Great Mirror → Nanyue Huairang → Mazu Daoyi → Baizhang Huaihai → Huangbo Xiyun → Linji Yixuan. When the Linji school was transmitted to Chan Master Shishuang Chuyuan, it divided below into the Huanglong and Yangqi branches. Shishuang had many outstanding disciples; apart from Huanglong Huinan and Yangqi Fanghui, Chan Master Cuiyan Kezhen was among the most exceptional. |
| 据灯录记载：洪州翠岩可真禅师，福州人也。以遍参自负，丛林号为“真点胸”。尝参慈明，因之金銮，同善侍者坐夏。善乃慈明高第，道吾真、杨岐会皆推伏之。师自负亲见慈明，天下无可意者。善与语，知其未彻，笑之。 |
According to the Records of the Lamp: “Chan Master Cuiyan Kezhen of Hongzhou was a native of Fuzhou. Proud of having visited teachers everywhere, he was known in the Chan monasteries as ‘Zhen Who Points to His Chest.’ He once studied under Ciming and, because of this, spent the summer retreat at Jinluan together with the attendant Shan. Shan was Ciming’s foremost disciple; Daowu Zhen and Yangqi Hui both held him in great esteem. The master prided himself on having personally met Ciming and felt that no one under heaven was to his liking. When Shan spoke with him, he knew that Zhen had not penetrated fully and laughed at him.” |
| 一日山行，举论锋发。善拈一片瓦砾，置磐石上，曰：“若向这里下得一转语，许你亲见慈明。”师左右视，拟对之。善叱曰：“伫思停机，情识未透，何曾梦见？”师自愧悚，即还石霜。 |
One day, while walking in the mountains, they began an intense debate. Shan picked up a piece of tile rubble and placed it on a flat rock, saying: “If you can offer a turning word here, I will acknowledge that you have personally met Ciming.” The master looked to the right and left, preparing to respond. Shan rebuked him: “You pause to think and stop your activity; your discriminating consciousness has not penetrated through. When have you ever even dreamed of it?” Ashamed and alarmed, the master immediately returned to Shishuang. |
| 慈明见来，叱曰：“本色行脚人，必知时节，有甚急事，夏未了，早已至此？”师泣曰：“被善兄毒心，终碍塞人，故来见和尚。”明遽问：“如何是佛法大意？”师曰：“无云生岭上，有月落波心。 |
When Ciming saw him arrive, he rebuked him: “A genuine traveling practitioner must know the proper time. What urgent business brought you here before the summer retreat was over?” The master wept and said: “Brother Shan has poisoned my mind, leaving me obstructed and blocked. Therefore I have come to see you, Master.” Ciming immediately asked: “What is the fundamental meaning of the Buddhadharma?” The master replied: “Cloudless, on the ridge it arises; moonlit, it sinks into the heart of the waves.” |
| ”明嗔目喝曰：“头白齿豁，犹作这个见解，如何脱离生死？”师悚然，求指示。明曰：“汝问我。”师理前语问之，明震声曰：“无云生岭上，有月落波心。”师于言下大悟。师爽气逸出，机辩迅捷，丛林惮之。 |
Ciming glared and shouted: “Your head is white and your teeth are exposed, yet you still hold such a view. How will you escape birth and death?” Startled, the master sought instruction. Ciming said: “Ask me.” The master repeated his earlier question. Ciming thundered: “Cloudless, on the ridge it arises; moonlit, it sinks into the heart of the waves.” At these words, the master had a great awakening. His spirit became open and untrammeled, and his Chan responsiveness and eloquence were swift; the Chan monasteries held him in awe. |
| 翠岩真禅师，早就跟石霜禅师（慈明）学过禅，并非没有悟处。他很自负（自负就是自以为了不起），当他“举论锋发”时，却被善侍者摧折了一场，惊醒了他“自负”的迷梦，他自愧不彻，再来请教慈明。 |
Chan Master Cuiyan Zhen had long studied Chan under Chan Master Shishuang (Ciming); it was not that he had no realization. He was very self-assured—self-assurance means thinking oneself remarkable. Yet, when he “began an intense debate,” he was thoroughly humbled by the attendant Shan. This awakened him from the delusion of his self-assurance. Ashamed that he had not penetrated fully, he returned to seek instruction from Ciming. |
| 慈明问他：“如何是佛法大意？”他答：“无云生岭上，有月落波心。 |
Ciming asked him: “What is the fundamental meaning of the Buddhadharma?” He replied: “Cloudless, on the ridge it arises; moonlit, it sinks into the heart of the waves.” |
| ”这答语其实不错，荡除了“有、无”之边见——说有说无就象岭上之云、水中之月那样了不可得！然而，若只是理解，落实不到心地上，遇事便落“有、无”之见，那便是“药水汞”，遇火即飞。待他问慈明“如何是佛法大意？”时，慈明大声说：“无云生岭上，有月落波心！”他竟能言下大悟！ |
This answer was actually not wrong. It swept away the extreme views of existence and nonexistence—for to speak of existence or nonexistence is like the clouds on the ridge or the moon in the water: utterly unobtainable. Yet if one merely understands this intellectually, without grounding it in the mind-ground, then when circumstances arise one falls into views of existence and nonexistence. That is like mercury in medicinal liquid: it flies away as soon as it encounters fire. When he later asked Ciming, “What is the fundamental meaning of the Buddhadharma?” Ciming loudly declared: “Cloudless, on the ridge it arises; moonlit, it sinks into the heart of the waves.” He was able to have a great awakening at those very words! |
| 他悟了个什么？ |
What did he awaken to? |
| 哦？您这是问我么？那好，听仔细了——无云生岭上，有月落波心！ |
Oh? Are you asking me? Very well—listen carefully: “Cloudless, on the ridge it arises; moonlit, it sinks into the heart of the waves.” |
| 翠岩真骂舜老夫，骂他讲无事禅，落空了。哈哈！这舜老夫就喜欢骂人，这回挨骂了吧。难怪老人批示云：一报还一报！ |
Cuiyan Zhen scolded Old Man Shun, accusing him of teaching a Chan of nothing to do and falling into emptiness. Ha ha! This Old Man Shun liked scolding people, and now he has been scolded himself. No wonder the Elder commented: “What goes around comes around!” |
| 石霜法永禅师认为翠岩真骂得无理，举出舜老夫当初的“洞山悟古镜”因缘，来证明舜老夫不可能落空。这则“舜在洞山悟古镜因缘”是怎么一回事啊？看看灯录的记载吧： |
Chan Master Shishuang Fayong considered Cuiyan Zhen’s scolding unjustified. He cited the circumstance in which Old Man Shun awakened to the ancient mirror at Dongshan, to show that Shun could not possibly have fallen into emptiness. What was this circumstance of “Shun’s awakening to the ancient mirror at Dongshan”? Let us look at the account in the Records of the Lamp: |
| 云居晓舜禅师，瑞州人也。少年粗猛【怪不得爱骂人】，忽悟浮幻，投师出家，乃修细行。参洞山【云门宗洞山晓聪禅师】。一日入武昌行乞，首谒刘公居士家。士高行，为时所敬，意所与夺，莫不从之。 |
“Chan Master Yunju Xiaoshun of Ruizhou was a native of Ruizhou. In his youth he was rough and fierce [no wonder he loved scolding people]. Suddenly awakening to the illusory nature of worldly things, he took refuge with a teacher and left home, thereafter cultivating refined conduct. He visited Dongshan [Chan Master Dongshan Xiaocong of the Yunmen school]. One day, while traveling to Wuchang to beg for alms, he first called at the home of Layman Liu. The layman was highly virtuous and respected by the people of his time; whatever he approved or rejected, everyone followed.” |
| 师时年少，不知其饱参，颇易之。士曰：“老汉有一问，若相契即开疏，如不契即请还山。”遂问：“古镜未磨时如何？”师曰：“黑似漆。”士曰：“磨后如何？”师曰：“照天照地。”士长揖曰：“且请上人还山。 |
“The master was young at the time and, not knowing that the layman was deeply practiced, thought little of him. The layman said: ‘This old man has a question. If we are in accord, I shall open my storehouse; if not, please return to the mountain.’ He then asked: ‘What is the ancient mirror like before it has been polished?’ The master said: ‘Black as lacquer.’ The layman asked: ‘What is it like after it has been polished?’ The master said: ‘It illuminates heaven and earth.’ The layman made a deep bow and said: ‘Please, Venerable Sir, return to the mountain.’” |
| ”拂袖入宅。师懡[怖-布+罗]，即还洞山。山问其故，师具言其事。山曰：“你问我，我与你道。”师理前问【古镜未磨时如何？】，山曰：“此去汉阳不远。”师进后语【磨后如何？】，山曰：“黄鹤楼前鹦鹉洲。”师于言下大悟，机锋不可触。 |
He brushed his sleeves and went into the house. The master was deeply ashamed and returned at once to Dongshan. Dongshan asked why, and the master related the entire matter. Dongshan said: “Ask me, and I will tell you.” The master repeated his earlier question [“What is the ancient mirror like before it has been polished?”]. Dongshan said: “Hanyang is not far from here.” The master continued with the later question [“What is it like after it has been polished?”]. Dongshan said: “Parrot Islet lies before Yellow Crane Tower.” At these words, the master had a great awakening, and none could touch his Chan responsiveness. |
| 看他的悟处，本地风光，当下现成，舜老夫果然不可能落空。舜老夫既不落空，翠岩骂什么呢？翠岩禅师是个明眼人啊，为什么骂他呢？须知禅宗祖师说法，皆是为学人对机拈出，不乏打草惊蛇、敲山震虎的手段。你以为他是真骂舜老夫啊！舜老夫又不在他面前，他骂舜老夫干什么？所以，老人批示云：慎莫作骂会！ |
Looking at his realization: the original ground is present and complete here and now. Old Man Shun indeed could not possibly have fallen into emptiness. Since he did not fall into emptiness, why did Cuiyan scold him? Chan Master Cuiyan was a clear-eyed person, so why did he scold him? You should know that when Chan patriarchs teach the Dharma, they always present something suited to the learner’s capacity. Their methods often include beating the grass to startle the snake or striking the mountain to shake the tiger. Do you think he was truly scolding Old Man Shun? Old Man Shun was not even before him; why would he scold him? Therefore, the Elder commented: “Take care not to understand this as actual scolding!” |
| 后面的诗偈、葛藤、眉批，留给大家讨论，如何？ |
Let us leave the verses, entangling words, and marginal notes that follow for everyone to discuss. How about that? |
| 【相关讨论】 |
[Related Discussion] |
| 古镜未磨时如何？曰：我老婆的裹脚布；磨后如何？曰：咦？谁敲我家门？ 大老鼠 22:45:09 5/14/02(无内容) |
What is the ancient mirror like before it has been polished? Answer: My wife’s foot-binding cloth. What is it like after polishing? Answer: Eh? Who is knocking at my door? Big Rat 22:45:09 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 古镜末磨时是古镜，磨了还是古镜，只是知道了有这面镜 liwei1111101 09:39:06 5/15/02(无内容) |
Before the ancient mirror is polished, it is an ancient mirror; after polishing, it is still an ancient mirror. One simply knows that there is this mirror. liwei1111101 09:39:06 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 古镜末磨时是已知其镜，只是被习气染无面目。只是怕犹执这个。 青龙 10:40:33 5/15/02(无内容) |
Before the ancient mirror is polished, one already knows the mirror, but habitual tendencies have obscured its original face. One need only fear still clinging to this. Green Dragon 10:40:33 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 若问你“没开悟前如何？”，你答什么？ lvm 23:11:59 5/14/02(无内容) |
If someone asked you, “What were you like before awakening?”, how would you answer? lvm 23:11:59 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 若手里有棒，打他 大老鼠 23:22:59 5/14/02(无内容) |
If I had a stick in my hand, I would strike him. Big Rat 23:22:59 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 哈哈！瞎棒只合自己吃。 lvm 23:27:36 5/14/02(无内容) |
Ha ha! A blind blow is fit only for oneself to receive. lvm 23:27:36 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 莫轻忽！ 大老鼠 23:30:20 5/14/02(无内容) |
Do not take it lightly! Big Rat 23:30:20 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 驴头不照马嘴。 lvm 00:42:08 5/15/02(无内容) |
A donkey’s head does not match a horse’s mouth. lvm 00:42:08 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 却都是吃草的。 大老鼠 21:04:06 5/15/02(无内容) |
Yet both eat grass. Big Rat 21:04:06 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 大老鼠睡大觉 大老鼠 23:19:41 5/14/02(无内容) |
Big Rat sleeps a big sleep. Big Rat 23:19:41 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 枕着裹脚布吗？ lvm 23:25:44 5/14/02(无内容) |
With a foot-binding cloth for a pillow? lvm 23:25:44 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 枕头 大老鼠 23:26:39 5/14/02(无内容) |
A pillow. Big Rat 23:26:39 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 胡扯什么？还我话头来！ lvm 23:29:23 5/14/02(无内容) |
What nonsense are you talking? Give me back my huatou! lvm 23:29:23 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 您要哪个话头啊？ 大老鼠 23:31:36 5/14/02(无内容) |
Which huatou do you want? Big Rat 23:31:36 5/14/02 (no content) |
| “古镜未磨时如何？”跟“没开悟前如何？”岂是二意！ lvm 23:37:03 5/14/02(62) |
“What is the ancient mirror like before it has been polished?” and “What were you like before awakening?”—how could they mean two different things? lvm 23:37:03 5/14/02 (62) |
| 呀，您还缠在裹脚布里吗？ 大老鼠 23:38:04 5/14/02(无内容) |
Ah, are you still entangled in the foot-binding cloth? Big Rat 23:38:04 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 你胡扯什么？喝醉了么？ lvm 23:43:52 5/14/02(无内容) |
What nonsense are you talking? Are you drunk? lvm 23:43:52 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 终日饮酒醉不得。 大老鼠 23:48:11 5/14/02(22) |
Drinking all day, yet never getting drunk. Big Rat 23:48:11 5/14/02 (22) |
| 诸位小心！老鼠发狂了。 lvm 23:57:12 5/14/02(无内容) |
Everyone, be careful! The rat has gone mad. lvm 23:57:12 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 还去恼乱人家！ 大老鼠 23:58:34 5/14/02(无内容) |
And you still go about troubling others! Big Rat 23:58:34 5/14/02 (no content) |
| 请老师指教！ 丁零 22:10:09 5/14/02(79) |
Please instruct us, Teacher! Dingling 22:10:09 5/14/02 (79) |
| 请您再来两答： lvm 23:19:31 5/14/02(144) |
Please give two more answers: lvm 23:19:31 5/14/02 (144) |
| 再请指教！ 丁零 12:29:39 5/15/02(183) |
Please offer further instruction! Dingling 12:29:39 5/15/02 (183) |
| 请进： lvm 16:47:47 5/15/02(229) |
Please come in: lvm 16:47:47 5/15/02 (229) |
| 请再赐教！ 丁零 19:27:38 5/15/02(94) |
Please offer further instruction! Dingling 19:27:38 5/15/02 (94) |
| 上次的好。 lvm 19:47:25 5/15/02(138) |
The previous one was better. lvm 19:47:25 5/15/02 (138) |
| 请再赐教！ 丁零 20:12:18 5/15/02(64) |
Please offer further instruction! Dingling 20:12:18 5/15/02 (64) |
| 看不出哪里拖沓呀。 lvm 20:26:29 5/15/02(无内容) |
I can't see where it is dragging. lvm 20:26:29 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 多谢老师赐教！ 丁零 20:28:52 5/15/02(无内容) |
Many thanks for your instruction, Teacher! Dingling 20:28:52 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 插嘴一 大老鼠 00:08:09 5/15/02(197) |
A brief interjection. Big Mouse 00:08:09 5/15/02 (197) |
| 哈哈！又跑这儿来了。 lvm 00:17:47 5/15/02(56) |
Ha ha! You've come running over here again. lvm 00:17:47 5/15/02 (56) |
| 叫你疑着。 大老鼠 00:20:12 5/15/02(无内容) |
I'll leave you wondering. Big Mouse 00:20:12 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 莫非老鼠变猫了么？ lvm 00:27:43 5/15/02(无内容) |
Could it be that the mouse has turned into a cat? lvm 00:27:43 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 我是捂住您的嘴呢？还是给您脚底板看呢？ 大老鼠 00:27:24 5/15/02(无内容) |
Should I cover your mouth, or show you the soles of my feet? Big Mouse 00:27:24 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 大众！看取老鼠。 lvm 00:35:22 5/15/02(无内容) |
Everyone! Look at the mouse. lvm 00:35:22 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 还有想悟道的没有？有请过来。。。 大老鼠 00:39:19 5/15/02(24) |
Anyone else who wants to awaken to the Way? Please come over... Big Mouse 00:39:19 5/15/02 (24) |
| 我是捂住您的嘴呢？还是给您脚底板看呢？ 如岭 09:54:35 5/15/02(无内容) |
Should I cover your mouth, or show you the soles of my feet? Ruling 09:54:35 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 哈哈，做为酬劳，我请您吃顿便饭如何？ 大老鼠 20:55:07 5/15/02(无内容) |
Ha ha, as payment, how about I treat you to a simple meal? Big Mouse 20:55:07 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 手不得闲啊！ 如岭 09:39:21 5/16/02(无内容) |
My hands are not free! Ruling 09:39:21 5/16/02 (no content) |
| 我的手还在您的嘴上捂着呢？ 如岭 09:54:16 5/16/02(无内容) |
My hand is still covering your mouth, isn't it? Ruling 09:54:16 5/16/02 (no content) |
| 这饭你我怎么个吃法呢？ 如岭 09:36:26 5/16/02(无内容) |
How are you and I supposed to eat this meal? Ruling 09:36:26 5/16/02 (no content) |
| 昨天太晚了，今日好好说话： lvm 08:51:09 5/15/02(52) |
It was too late yesterday; let's speak properly today: lvm 08:51:09 5/15/02 (52) |
| 才来，您说吧。 大老鼠 20:02:52 5/15/02(无内容) |
I've just arrived; please speak. Big Mouse 20:02:52 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 这三答： lvm 22:12:48 5/15/02(160) |
These three answers: lvm 22:12:48 5/15/02 (160) |
| 一无是处！ 大老鼠 07:46:01 5/16/02(无内容) |
Not a single one is right! Big Mouse 07:46:01 5/16/02 (no content) |
| 3.您以后怎么办哪？ lvm 21:57:15 5/15/02(无内容) |
3. What will you do from now on? lvm 21:57:15 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 此问表面看和风细雨，实则暗藏杀机 小师弟 23:00:49 5/15/02(179) |
On the surface, this question seems gentle and mild, but in fact it conceals murderous intent. Little Junior Brother 23:00:49 5/15/02 (179) |
| 饥来吃饭困来眠。 大老鼠 21:58:50 5/15/02(无内容) |
When hungry, eat; when tired, sleep. Big Mouse 21:58:50 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 2.你发狂了么？ lvm 21:42:02 5/15/02(无内容) |
2. Have you gone mad? lvm 21:42:02 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 又不合胃口？好，这个这个。。 大老鼠 21:55:51 5/15/02(170) |
Still not to your taste? Fine, this one, then... Big Mouse 21:55:51 5/15/02 (170) |
| 发狂又如何？ 大老鼠 21:43:27 5/15/02(无内容) |
So what if I have gone mad? Big Mouse 21:43:27 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 此一答正是顺语下搭，被个“发狂”牵了鼻子走，不过 小师弟 23:10:06 5/15/02(66) |
This answer is precisely a response that follows the wording; it has been led around by the nose by “gone mad,” but... Little Junior Brother 23:10:06 5/15/02 (66) |
| 那好！一个一个来：1.您开悟了么？ lvm 20:28:24 5/15/02(无内容) |
All right! One at a time: 1. Have you awakened? lvm 20:28:24 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 看来不合老师胃口，好，来这个。。 大老鼠 21:22:46 5/15/02(172) |
It seems this does not suit Teacher's taste. Fine, then this one... Big Mouse 21:22:46 5/15/02 (172) |
| 这一句若是寻常时答来自是不错，在这里却是伤锋犯手了。 狮子 22:10:35 5/15/02(无内容) |
This answer would naturally be fine in ordinary circumstances, but here it dulls the blade and injures the hand. Lion 22:10:35 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 嘻嘻，人家是此时即是寻常时。 小师弟 22:53:35 5/15/02(无内容) |
Hee-hee, for me, this very moment is an ordinary time. Little Junior Brother 22:53:35 5/15/02 (no content) |
| 给您回了封信，您查看。者个问题。。 大老鼠 20:35:12 5/15/02(32) |
I replied to your letter; please check it. As for this question... Big Mouse 20:35:12 5/15/02 (32) |
